Ford Galaxy 2017 APIM error maybe

kovacsmark · 20 January 2024 13:56

Hi,

I’m new here, but I don’t know that I write to good topic. Excuse me if I messed up it. So my problem is:
I have a Ford Galaxy TDCI 2017 and suddenly went blank the Instument Cluster and Sync also no power in USB. This happened in normal use. It was never updated yet. Forsan shows no HS3Can (and all of the modules missing which are on HS3Can).
If I disconnect APIM module main harness the HS3Can appear in Forscan and Instrument Cluster is works again.
Then I bought a new APIM from ebay. The seller ask my car VIN and he is programmed the APIM to my Car with Sync 3.4 software. Actually this APIM is coming from 2020 Mustang originally. Unfortunatelly it isn’t work in my car. It’s blink a very short after ignition on then went blank and Instrument Cluster also remain blank and no HS3Can. Of course if I disconnect the APIM the Instrument Cluster works again and the HS3Can appear. The seller told me that he verify the APIM before he send it to me. Both APIM are communicating with the Forscan.
Is it possible that the new APIM isn’t compatible with my car ?
My original APIM is : H2GT-14G370-KFA and the new is : LR3T-14G370-BLL.
I don’t know that the USB hub is works or not. Is the USB Hub need the APIM for work or APIM is working without USB ? I try to disconnect the USB - nothing changed.

Thank you in advance.

SaNdMaN · 20 January 2024 14:12

Hi.

So, based on your comment, both APIMs exhibit the same behavior when plugged in, right?. That is: IPC and Screen go black.

If that’s the case, I do not think your old APIM is the issue but rather a consequence.

Lets wait for others to comment since I do not know much about this stuff, but it does not look like it’s an issue with your APIM.

kovacsmark · 20 January 2024 14:24

Not exactly same. The new one is Blink a short after ignition On the old one is absolute blank. The other errors are similar with Both APIM.
However I don’t know that the new APIM is really works or compatible with my car. Only the seller told me that is verified.

bill32399 · 20 January 2024 16:55

The new L series APIM is a 2020+ module just FYI.

kovacsmark · 20 January 2024 19:05

What does it mean ? The “L” series APIM begins with “L” like this LR3T-14G370-BLL ? Is not compatible with my car ?

bill32399 · 20 January 2024 19:13

It should work just fine but you cannot reformat it as it is a 2020+ APIM. That may not be an issue for you with EU maps but if for some reason you had to reformat you cannot. I am not in the EU so I am not 100% on how stuff works over there so it’s just a warning/Reminder.

In your case the USB hub power runs off the APIM so if it is dead when the APIM is dead than that makes sense. I could not tell you what is wrong but I suspect a few things since both APIM’s had the same results. When the HS3 Network disappears when plugged in that makes sense when you have a short on that CanBus line. It is setup to shut down that line when this happens. The odd thing is this should be happening when it is unplugged also.

kovacsmark · 20 January 2024 20:01

Thanks. Should APIM work with USB HUB is unplugged or fail ?

bill32399 · 20 January 2024 22:25

USB hub would not cause the APIM to not work. It would give you an error on the screen though.

SaNdMaN · 20 January 2024 23:24

APIMs are generally interchangeable, so that’s why I do not think your issue is based on the APIM itself as per my first message.

Do you have Forscan or/and a cheap adapter?.

Did the car get serviced for things out of the ordinary maintenance? If so, when?. Did you change anything on the car?.

bill32399 · 21 January 2024 00:19

Also make sure you are deleting your vehicle profile in Forscan every time you swap modules.

SaNdMaN · 21 January 2024 00:38

Right, he told us he has those.

Scan the vehicle for error codes and share the results.

kovacsmark · 21 January 2024 17:51

Here are the DTC-s. It seems the only differences between connected two different APIM the HCM module error code, but I think it’s not relevant.

This is with original APIM connected:

===TCM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Transmission Control Module

===END TCM DTC None===

===PCM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Powertrain Control Module

===END PCM DTC None===

===OBDII DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: On Board Diagnostic II

===END OBDII DTC None===

===APIM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Accessory Protocol Interface Module

===END APIM DTC None===

===DCDC DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: DC to DC Converter Control Module

===END DCDC DTC None===

===PAM DTC U0253:00-68===
Code: U0253 - Lost Communication With Accessory Protocol Interface Module

Status (-68):

Previously Set DTC - Not Present at Time of Request
Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC
Test not complete

Module: Parking Aid Module

===END PAM DTC U0253:00-68===

===HCM DTC U0253:00-C8===
Code: U0253 - Lost Communication With Accessory Protocol Interface Module

Status (-C8):

Previously Set DTC - Not Present at Time of Request
Malfunction Indicator Lamp is On for this DTC
Test not complete

Module: Headlamp Control Module

===END HCM DTC U0253:00-C8===

===BdyCM DTC U0155:87-48===
Code: U0155 - Lost Communication With Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) Control Module

Additional Fault Symptom (:87):

Missing Message

Status (-48):

Previously Set DTC - Not Present at Time of Request
Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC
Test not complete

Module: Body Control Module

===END BdyCM DTC U0155:87-48===

===BdyCM DTC U0184:87-48===
Code: U0184 - Lost Communication With Radio

Additional Fault Symptom (:87):

Missing Message

Status (-48):

Previously Set DTC - Not Present at Time of Request
Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC
Test not complete

Module: Body Control Module

===END BdyCM DTC U0184:87-48===

===IPMB DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Image Processing Module B

===END IPMB DTC None===

===FCIM DTC U0155:00-0A===
Code: U0155 - Lost Communication With Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) Control Module

Status (-0A):

DTC Present at Time of Request
Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC

Module: Front Controls Interface Module

===END FCIM DTC U0155:00-0A===

===FCIM DTC U0253:00-0A===
Code: U0253 - Lost Communication With Accessory Protocol Interface Module

Status (-0A):

DTC Present at Time of Request
Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC

Module: Front Controls Interface Module

===END FCIM DTC U0253:00-0A===

===FCIM DTC U0401:82-0A===
Code: U0401 - Invalid Data Received from ECM/PCM A

Additional Fault Symptom (:82):

Alive/Sequence Counter Incorrect/Not Updated

Status (-0A):

DTC Present at Time of Request
Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC

Module: Front Controls Interface Module

===END FCIM DTC U0401:82-0A===

===RGTM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Rear Gate/Trunk Module

===END RGTM DTC None===

===ABS DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

===END ABS DTC None===

===RTM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Radio Transceiver Module

===END RTM DTC None===

===PDM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Passengers Door Control Unit

===END PDM DTC None===

===DDM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Drivers Door Module

===END DDM DTC None===

===RCM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Restraint Control Module

===END RCM DTC None===

===PSCM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

===END PSCM DTC None===

===SCCM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Steering Column Control Module

===END SCCM DTC None===

===GWM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Gateway Module A

===END GWM DTC None===

===IPMA DTC U0155:87-2A===
Code: U0155 - Lost Communication With Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) Control Module

Additional Fault Symptom (:87):

Missing Message

Status (-2A):

DTC Present at Time of Request
Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC

Module: Image Processing Module A

===END IPMA DTC U0155:87-2A===

===DSM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Driver’s Seat Module

===END DSM DTC None===

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This is with new APIM (this is from Ebay, second hand not brand new) connected:

===TCM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Transmission Control Module

===END TCM DTC None===

===PCM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Powertrain Control Module

===END PCM DTC None===

===OBDII DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: On Board Diagnostic II

===END OBDII DTC None===

===APIM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Accessory Protocol Interface Module

===END APIM DTC None===

===DCDC DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: DC to DC Converter Control Module

===END DCDC DTC None===

===PAM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

===END PAM DTC None===

===HCM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Headlamp Control Module

===END HCM DTC None===

===BdyCM DTC U0155:87-48===
Code: U0155 - Lost Communication With Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) Control Module

Additional Fault Symptom (:87):

Missing Message

Status (-48):

Previously Set DTC - Not Present at Time of Request
Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC
Test not complete

Module: Body Control Module

===END BdyCM DTC U0155:87-48===

===BdyCM DTC U0184:87-48===
Code: U0184 - Lost Communication With Radio

Additional Fault Symptom (:87):

Missing Message

Status (-48):

Previously Set DTC - Not Present at Time of Request
Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC
Test not complete

Module: Body Control Module

===END BdyCM DTC U0184:87-48===

===IPMB DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Image Processing Module B

===END IPMB DTC None===

===FCIM DTC U0155:00-0A===
Code: U0155 - Lost Communication With Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) Control Module

Status (-0A):

DTC Present at Time of Request
Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC

Module: Front Controls Interface Module

===END FCIM DTC U0155:00-0A===

===FCIM DTC U0253:00-0A===
Code: U0253 - Lost Communication With Accessory Protocol Interface Module

Status (-0A):

DTC Present at Time of Request
Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC

Module: Front Controls Interface Module

===END FCIM DTC U0253:00-0A===

===FCIM DTC U0401:82-0A===
Code: U0401 - Invalid Data Received from ECM/PCM A

Additional Fault Symptom (:82):

Alive/Sequence Counter Incorrect/Not Updated

Status (-0A):

DTC Present at Time of Request
Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC

Module: Front Controls Interface Module

===END FCIM DTC U0401:82-0A===

===RGTM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Rear Gate/Trunk Module

===END RGTM DTC None===

===ABS DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

===END ABS DTC None===

===RTM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Radio Transceiver Module

===END RTM DTC None===

===PDM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Passengers Door Control Unit

===END PDM DTC None===

===DDM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Drivers Door Module

===END DDM DTC None===

===RCM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Restraint Control Module

===END RCM DTC None===

===PSCM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

===END PSCM DTC None===

===SCCM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Steering Column Control Module

===END SCCM DTC None===

===GWM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Gateway Module A

===END GWM DTC None===

===IPMA DTC U0155:87-68===
Code: U0155 - Lost Communication With Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) Control Module

Additional Fault Symptom (:87):

Missing Message

Status (-68):

Previously Set DTC - Not Present at Time of Request
Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC
Test not complete

Module: Image Processing Module A

===END IPMA DTC U0155:87-68===

===DSM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Driver’s Seat Module

===END DSM DTC None===

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This is without any APIM connected:

===TCM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Transmission Control Module

===END TCM DTC None===

===PCM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Powertrain Control Module

===END PCM DTC None===

===OBDII DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: On Board Diagnostic II

===END OBDII DTC None===

===DCDC DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: DC to DC Converter Control Module

===END DCDC DTC None===

===PAM DTC B1B54:15-2B===
Code: B1B54 - Function LED - Park Aid

Additional Fault Symptom (:15):

Circuit Short To Battery Or Open

Status (-2B):

DTC Present at Time of Request
Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC

Module: Parking Aid Module

===END PAM DTC B1B54:15-2B===

===PAM DTC U0253:00-2B===
Code: U0253 - Lost Communication With Accessory Protocol Interface Module

Status (-2B):

DTC Present at Time of Request
Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC

Module: Parking Aid Module

===END PAM DTC U0253:00-2B===

===HCM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Headlamp Control Module

===END HCM DTC None===

===BdyCM DTC U0253:87-0A===
Code: U0253 - Lost Communication With Accessory Protocol Interface Module

Additional Fault Symptom (:87):

Missing Message

Status (-0A):

DTC Present at Time of Request
Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC

Module: Body Control Module

===END BdyCM DTC U0253:87-0A===

===BdyCM DTC U0184:87-0A===
Code: U0184 - Lost Communication With Radio

Additional Fault Symptom (:87):

Missing Message

Status (-0A):

DTC Present at Time of Request
Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC

Module: Body Control Module

===END BdyCM DTC U0184:87-0A===

===IPMB DTC U0253:87-0B===
Code: U0253 - Lost Communication With Accessory Protocol Interface Module

Additional Fault Symptom (:87):

Missing Message

Status (-0B):

DTC Present at Time of Request
Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC

Module: Image Processing Module B

===END IPMB DTC U0253:87-0B===

===FCIM DTC U0253:00-0A===
Code: U0253 - Lost Communication With Accessory Protocol Interface Module

Status (-0A):

DTC Present at Time of Request
Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC

Module: Front Controls Interface Module

===END FCIM DTC U0253:00-0A===

===DSP DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: (Audio) Digital Signal Processing Module

===END DSP DTC None===

===RGTM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Rear Gate/Trunk Module

===END RGTM DTC None===

===ABS DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

===END ABS DTC None===

===RTM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Radio Transceiver Module

===END RTM DTC None===

===PDM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Passengers Door Control Unit

===END PDM DTC None===

===DDM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Drivers Door Module

===END DDM DTC None===

===RCM DTC U0253:00-2F===
Code: U0253 - Lost Communication With Accessory Protocol Interface Module

Status (-2F):

DTC Present at Time of Request
Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC

Module: Restraint Control Module

===END RCM DTC U0253:00-2F===

===PSCM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

===END PSCM DTC None===

===ACM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Audio Control Module

===END ACM DTC None===

===SCCM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Steering Column Control Module

===END SCCM DTC None===

===IPC DTC U0257:00-0A===
Code: U0257 - Lost Communication With Front Controls / Display Interface Module

Status (-0A):

DTC Present at Time of Request
Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC

Module: Instrument Panel Control Module

===END IPC DTC U0257:00-0A===

===GWM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Gateway Module A

===END GWM DTC None===

===IPMA DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Image Processing Module A

===END IPMA DTC None===

===DSM DTC None===
Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

Module: Driver’s Seat Module

===END DSM DTC None===

kovacsmark · 21 January 2024 17:55

Here are the asbuilt data from both APIM:

Original:

Block 1
7D0G1G18A6A059A107C
7D0G1G202EE4006C2D2
Block 2
7D0G2G148550104C440
7D0G2G20B48800000AE
7D0G2G30000DC
Block 3
7D0G3G10200000000DD
Block 4
7D0G4G101001B00271F
7D0G4G20107E5
Block 5
7D0G5G1186A18B02B52
7D0G5G2D0AE
Block 6
7D0G6G1805E
Block 7
7D0G7G1070033000019
7D0G7G20000171C0013
7D0G7G3005656750002
7D0G7G46A4C
Block 8
7D0G8G10000000000E0
7D0G8G20000000000E1

New:

Block 1
7D0G1G18A6A059A107C
7D0G1G202EE4006C2D2
Block 2
7D0G2G148550104C440
7D0G2G20B48800000AE
7D0G2G30000DC
Block 3
7D0G3G10200000000DD
Block 4
7D0G4G101001B00271F
7D0G4G20107E5
Block 5
7D0G5G1186A18B02B52
7D0G5G2D0AE
Block 6
7D0G6G1805E
Block 7
7D0G7G1070033000019
7D0G7G20000171C0013
7D0G7G3005656750002
7D0G7G46A4C
Block 8
7D0G8G10000000000E0
7D0G8G20000000000E1

kovacsmark · 21 January 2024 17:59

These are the modules screen with APIM connected (same with both APIM)

kovacsmark · 21 January 2024 18:00

APIM disconnected:

CyanLabs · 23 January 2024 18:18

And you cleared all errors when changing components? DTCs stick, if the errors weren’t cleared then engine cycled and rescanned these errors mean nothing

kovacsmark · 24 January 2024 08:19

Yes I cleared all errors and created a new profile always after change the components then I read the DTCs.

kovacsmark · 24 January 2024 15:45

Is it possible that the new APIM ( LR3T-14G370-BLL - which is manufactured in 2020 ) not works with original LCD (MY2017) ?

SaNdMaN · 31 January 2024 20:22

Generally speaking, screens are interchangeable. MY20 screens can’t be reformated (or so I think), but once the unit it’s operational, it does not matter.

F150Chief · 5 February 2024 02:39

All year Sync 3 screens work with any Sync 3 APIM. It is the drivers in the APIM that may be an issue. This is usually solved by resetting the APIM (thru FORScan works easiest) and performing a power reset of the APIM and screen.