APIM values: 2013 F150 Platinum inherited SYNC 3 APIM+Screen from 2016 F150 Lariat

narsaw · 14 October 2023 05:23

As the title states I have a 2013 F150 Platinum that inherited SYNC 3 APIM+Screen from 2016 F150 Lariat.

The 2013 F150 had SYNC 2 (MyFord Touch). I am doing a retrofit w/ the APIM+Screen from the 2016 Lariat F250

The APIM model is VV87VMAX FRDNB HL3T-14G370-GCD
Picture can be seen here

The issue I am having is about Navigation. I get the “Navigation fault, please contact dealer” on SYNC startup, once I press OK navigation works just fine??

I have tried two separate antennas from one from eBay (FAKRA C Aerial GPS Antenna) and another from Amazon (Eightwood). Same results w/ both. They were both cheap aftermarket ones

Here are my APIM asBuilt values:

Block 1
7D0-01-01 AA21 0403 02AD
7D0-01-02 0A89 0050 0AC7

Block 2
7D0-02-01 5553 0103 40CA 
7D0-02-02 8200 8000 00DD
7D0-02-03 0005 E1

Block 3
7D0-03-01 0000 0403 00E2

Block 4
7D0-04-01 0100 1100 2D1B
7D0-04-02 0004 E1

Block 5
7D0-05-01 198C 198C 2E55
7D0-05-02 0EEC


Block 6
7D0-06-01 805E

Block 7
7D0-07-01 0A00 3300 001C
7D0-07-02 0000 0EF9 00E7
7D0-07-03 0056 5684 0011
7D0-07-04 694B

Any suggestions here? If this is an issue w/ the APIM it self, can this message be suppressed?

SYNC Region: NA

Navigation Variant: Nav

Manufacturer Year: Pre MY20

Install Type: Retrofit

Old SYNC Version: 3.10

New SYNC Version: 3.4.23188

Do you have a error message, if so what is it?
Navigation fault, please contact dealer

Update Method: CyanLabs Syn3 Updater

Syn3 Updater Version: 2.12.2.0

Syn3 Updater Documentation Read: yes

Syn3 Updater Log File

CYANLABS - SYN3 UPDATER - V2.12.2.0
Branch: Stable
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Home (2009)

PREVIOUS CONFIGURATION
Version: 3.4.23188
Region: NA
Navigation: True
Install Mode: Auto-Detect (autoinstall)
Install Mode Overridden: False
My20 Protection Enabled: Auto-Detect

DESTINATION DETAILS
Mode: Drive
Model: SanDisk Cruzer Glide USB Device
Size: 14.6GB
FileSystem: exFAT
Partition Type: MBR

AUTOINSTALL.LST
; CyanLabs Syn3Updater 2.12.2.0 Stable - Autoinstall Mode - Sync 3.4.23188 NA

[SYNCGen3.0_ALL_PRODUCT]
Item1 = RWDataCleaner TOOL - PU5T-14G386-BB_1690840002000.TAR.GZ
Open1= SyncMyRide\PU5T-14G386-BB_1690840002000.TAR.GZ
Item2 = VOICE - 5U5T-14G391-CS_1660783942000.TAR.GZ
Open2 = SyncMyRide\5U5T-14G391-CS_1660783942000.TAR.GZ
Item3 = GRACENOTES - 4U5T-14G423-CC_1615429225000.TAR.GZ
Open3 = SyncMyRide\4U5T-14G423-CC_1615429225000.TAR.GZ
Item4 = APPS - NU5T-14G381-AD_1689364279000.TAR.GZ
Open4 = SyncMyRide\NU5T-14G381-AD_1689364279000.TAR.GZ
Options = AutoInstall


FILES (8)
4U5T-14G381-AN_1552583626000.TAR.GZ (479.7MB)
PU5T-14G386-BB_1690840002000.TAR.GZ (3.2KB)
5U5T-14G381-CD_1564401086000.TAR.GZ (828.2MB)
4U5T-14G423-CA_123766.tar.gz (724.2MB)
5U5T-14G391-CL_1580862907000.TAR.GZ (385.4MB)
5U5T-14G391-CS_1660783942000.TAR.GZ (385.5MB)
4U5T-14G423-CC_1615429225000.TAR.GZ (564.2MB)
NU5T-14G381-AD_1689364279000.TAR.GZ (869.8MB)

LOG
[10/12/2023 2:29:18 PM] Selected Region: NA - Release: Sync 3.4.23188 - Map Version: Keep Existing Maps 
[10/12/2023 2:29:18 PM] Install Mode: Auto-Detect (autoinstall) Forced: False 
[10/12/2023 2:29:18 PM] MY20 Protection: Auto-Detect 
[10/12/2023 2:29:18 PM] Checking Existing File: PU5T-14G386-BB_1690840002000.TAR.GZ 
[10/12/2023 2:29:18 PM] Validated: PU5T-14G386-BB_1690840002000.TAR.GZ (Skipping Download) 
[10/12/2023 2:29:18 PM] Checking Existing File: 5U5T-14G391-CS_1660783942000.TAR.GZ 
[10/12/2023 2:29:19 PM] Validated: 5U5T-14G391-CS_1660783942000.TAR.GZ (Skipping Download) 
[10/12/2023 2:29:19 PM] Checking Existing File: 4U5T-14G423-CC_1615429225000.TAR.GZ 
[10/12/2023 2:29:21 PM] Validated: 4U5T-14G423-CC_1615429225000.TAR.GZ (Skipping Download) 
[10/12/2023 2:29:21 PM] Checking Existing File: NU5T-14G381-AD_1689364279000.TAR.GZ 
[10/12/2023 2:29:23 PM] Validated: NU5T-14G381-AD_1689364279000.TAR.GZ (Skipping Download) 
[10/12/2023 2:29:23 PM] Preparing USB drive
[10/12/2023 2:29:23 PM] Checking Existing File: PU5T-14G386-BB_1690840002000.TAR.GZ 
[10/12/2023 2:29:23 PM] PU5T-14G386-BB_1690840002000.TAR.GZ exists and validated successfully, skipping copy 
[10/12/2023 2:29:23 PM] Checking Existing File: 5U5T-14G391-CS_1660783942000.TAR.GZ 
[10/12/2023 2:29:23 PM] Copying: 5U5T-14G391-CS_1660783942000.TAR.GZ 
[10/12/2023 2:30:11 PM] Validating: 5U5T-14G391-CS_1660783942000.TAR.GZ 
[10/12/2023 2:30:12 PM] Copied: 5U5T-14G391-CS_1660783942000.TAR.GZ 
[10/12/2023 2:30:12 PM] Checking Existing File: 4U5T-14G423-CC_1615429225000.TAR.GZ 
[10/12/2023 2:30:12 PM] Copying: 4U5T-14G423-CC_1615429225000.TAR.GZ 
[10/12/2023 2:31:19 PM] Validating: 4U5T-14G423-CC_1615429225000.TAR.GZ 
[10/12/2023 2:31:21 PM] Copied: 4U5T-14G423-CC_1615429225000.TAR.GZ 
[10/12/2023 2:31:21 PM] Checking Existing File: NU5T-14G381-AD_1689364279000.TAR.GZ 
[10/12/2023 2:31:21 PM] Copying: NU5T-14G381-AD_1689364279000.TAR.GZ 
[10/12/2023 2:33:10 PM] Validating: NU5T-14G381-AD_1689364279000.TAR.GZ 
[10/12/2023 2:33:12 PM] Copied: NU5T-14G381-AD_1689364279000.TAR.GZ 
[10/12/2023 2:33:12 PM] Generating Autoinstall.lst
[10/12/2023 2:33:12 PM] ALL FILES DOWNLOADED AND COPIED TO THE USB DRIVE SUCCESSFULLY!

bill32399 · 14 October 2023 11:31

What DTC’s does Forscan show you have?

narsaw · 14 October 2023 13:36

I see one code:

B119F - GPS Antenna - Open Circuit (Malfunction Indicator Lamp* is off for this DTC)

I don’t know if this is because I am no longer using the SYNC 2 antenna, perhaps it left dangling and reporting this or if this is an issue w/ my Eightwood antenna.

As I said Nav works after pressing OK.

I read this topic: Nav Fault on sync 3 - FORScan forum seems like a user tried a brand called Xtenzi is was successful after two previous antennas failed

Thx

bill32399 · 15 October 2023 06:17

That DTC is just because the antenna is not grounded through the body which the OEM one does. You get the same thing with the TCU antenna’s.

It very well could be what’s causing the error. I don’t know what to change to get rid of that as it’s the first time I have heard of it happening.

narsaw · 15 October 2023 15:11

I’ve been mostly testing in my garage, so yesterday I was out driving around and I am noticing that the issue with the GPS fault on APIM boot seems to be resolved. I will keep an eye on it.

Maybe the GPS system needed to be outside for a bit to catch its bearings??

bill32399 · 15 October 2023 15:57

Hard to say but if it is fixed than take the win!

system · 14 November 2023 15:58

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CyanLabs · 29 November 2023 16:44

It’s pretty well known that trying to get an initial signal from GPS inside a garage is unlikely to work, once it has a signal and then you go in a garage it’s not too bad.