I have a 2015 F-150 and upgraded the 8" SYNC 2 to SYNC 3 (with NAV) and changed out the ACM which only had Sirius to one that had Sirius and HD back in 2016 with no issues. I just recently upgraded the 3.0 version to 3.4 (thanks CYANLABS!) with no issues as well. I purchased a APIM/screen (with NAV) with factory loaded 3.4 along with the ACM (HD and Sirius) from a salvage company. Both units are from the same donor vehicle which is a 2020 Ford Expedition Limited. I received the items and installed the APIM/screen in the truck first without changing out the ACM just so I could see if it would work. All works except the Sirius portion of it. The Sirius subscription button works and the subscription says “Not Available”. It also shows my EIN number. When I install the ACM from the donor vehicle, the APIM works fine except the audio portion of it. The screen shows that the radio is off. I can’t turn it on from either the FCIM or the touch screen. I changed a few things around with FORScan but nothing has worked. Any input/thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
If you find a solution, there are quite a few folks that want to know, like me for one. That’s the same place I got to with the new ACM.
Will do. I posted on FORScan as well.
I too am interested about 2020 APIM’s and ACM’s moving backwards. In my case, a 2017 Ford Escape. When searching the forum last night, someone mentioned the later ACM’s were different enough that they couldn’t go in older vehicles.
That was the only mention I saw of that, so I am curious if it IS possible. If it can be done, Cyan would be the ones to figure it out.
Go to the F150Forum.com, there is a thread there about putting one in a 2019 STX. But no solid answers.
Some of the ACM’s are different as far as connectors are concerned. Depending on the vehicle, the 2 main connectors are either rectangular if you will or square in nature. There is also a 3rd Farkra connector involved on some of the units but I do not think it is needed for my application. My 2020 Super Duty has the 3 connectors but only the black and mustard ones are being utilized and not the white one. There is also a data connector that is plugged in. It is a shielded cable that is blue in color. When I received the ACM from the Expedition, all of the “ports” had connectors attached. The yard just cut the wiring and left them in. Attached is the donor ACM.
Yes, this is correct. The blue connector is for A2B digital audio for the B&O systems, don’t worry about it. You will have no sound if you get it to work, but a simple FORScan adjustment will fix it. We are all stuck on how to get the radio to turn on.
Ok, have B&O in the SD. I also compared the ACM connectors from my 2015 to the 2020 and the wiring is pretty much the same. There are a couple of differences. There are a few differences in the APIM wiring at the connector as well on the 2015 vs. the 2020. Might be where the issue lays. Not sure. Which FORScan adjustment are you referring too?
I will follow this thread closely. I’m still learning, but this is probably one of the topics I am most interested in.
Thanks. You always learn just don’t forget what you learned.
ACM 727-01-01 xx*x xxxx xxxx - Front/Rear Satellite Speakers (Internal Amp, External Variable, Fixed Line Level, Not Used, Reserved)
Sony systems are ‘A’, not sure about B&O but suspect the same.
My SD as-built has a “F” and it has a B&O system. The Expedition has a “A” and also has a B&O system installed.
I may have a related problem so hoping for some help or ideas… We have a 2014 Fusion and the original ACM. I recently upgraded the APIM, screen, and control panel/faceplate from a 2020 Fusion. Everything is working well, except Sirius. The button on the Sync 3 screen does nothing but I can switch to Sirius using the steering wheel controls. I only get the free preview channel though. Our saved presets appear but do nothing and the channel guide/list fails. It says something like “failed to update, try again”.
Multiple attempts at “refresh” has done nothing. Is this related to the issue you guys are discussing ? Or a variation of the issue ?
I thought I could just get the ACM from the same donor that I got the other pieces from but it sounds like that may not be possible due to connector changes.
This is another issue, but one that is covered on 2GFusion.net and F150Forum.com.
Since you have a 2020 APIM, it is probably set for the new format ACM in regard to Sat Radio. You should have 7D0-08-xx and 7D0-09-xx series asbuilt settings available. In particular you want to look at the Message Set and X40 SDARS setting. In your APIM asbuilt, your 2020 APIM is probably set for ‘4’, if so set to ‘0’.
Mobile Navigation (MN), Message Set (MS), X40, Customer Connectivity Setting (CCS)
7D0-08-01 xxx* xxxx xxxx
0=MN Enabled, MS Legacy, X40: Pre X40 SDARS, CCS Disabled
1=MN Enabled, MS Legacy, X40: Pre X40 SDARS, CCS Enabled
2=MN Enabled, MS Legacy, X40: X40 SDARS, CCS Disabled
3=MN Enabled, MS Legacy, X40: X40 SDARS, CCS Enabled
4=MN Enabled, MS New, X40: Pre X40 SDARS, CCS Disabled
5=MN Enabled, MS New, X40: Pre X40 SDARS, CCS Enabled
6=MN Enabled, MS New, X40: X40 SDARS, CCS Disabled
7=MN Enabled, MS New, X40: X40 SDARS, CCS Enabled
8=MN Disabled, MS Legacy, X40: Pre X40 SDARS, CCS Disabled
9=MN Disabled, MS Legacy, X40: Pre X40 SDARS, CCS Enabled
A=MN Disabled, MS Legacy, X40: X40 SDARS, CCS Disabled
B=MN Disabled, MS Legacy, X40: X40 SDARS, CCS Enabled
C=MN Disabled, MS New, X40: Pre X40 SDARS, CCS Disabled
D=MN Disabled, MS New, X40: Pre X40 SDARS, CCS Enabled
E=MN Disabled, MS New, X40: X40 SDARS, CCS Disabled
F=MN Disabled, MS New, X40: X40 SDARS, CCS Enabled
Also, it probably has Mixed-Mode Presets enabled, which your 2014 ACM does not support. If it is set to ‘8’, then change it to ‘0’.
Autostore (Mixed Mode Presets Turns Off Autostore), Electronic Horizon Type, ICP (EFP) Type, ICP (EFP) Branding
7D0-02-02 xxxx xx*x xxxx
0=Autostore Enabled, EH: MPP + Stubs, ICP (EFP) Type: EFP, ICP(EFP) Brand: Non-Branded
1=Autostore Enabled, EH: MPP + Stubs, ICP (EFP) Type: EFP, ICP(EFP) Brand: Branded
2=Autostore Enabled, EH: MPP + Stubs, ICP (EFP) Type: ICP, ICP(EFP) Brand: Non-Branded
3=Autostore Enabled, EH: MPP + Stubs, ICP (EFP) Type: ICP, ICP(EFP) Brand: Branded
4=Autostore Enabled, EH: MPP + Stub+Exp, ICP (EFP) Type: EFP, ICP(EFP) Brand: Non-Branded
5=Autostore Enabled, EH: MPP + Stub+Exp, ICP (EFP) Type: EFP, ICP(EFP) Brand: Branded
6=Autostore Enabled, EH: MPP + Stub+Exp, ICP (EFP) Type: ICP, ICP(EFP) Brand: Non-Branded
7=Autostore Enabled, EH: MPP + Stub+Exp, ICP (EFP) Type: ICP, ICP(EFP) Brand: Branded
8=Autostore Disabled, EH: MPP + Stubs, ICP (EFP) Type: EFP, ICP(EFP) Brand: Non-Branded
9=Autostore Disabled, EH: MPP + Stubs, ICP (EFP) Type: EFP, ICP(EFP) Brand: Branded
A=Autostore Disabled, EH: MPP + Stubs, ICP (EFP) Type: ICP, ICP(EFP) Brand: Non-Branded
B=Autostore Disabled, EH: MPP + Stubs, ICP (EFP) Type: ICP, ICP(EFP) Brand: Branded
C=Autostore Disabled, EH: MPP + Stub+Exp, ICP (EFP) Type: EFP, ICP(EFP) Brand: Non-Branded
D=Autostore Disabled, EH: MPP + Stub+Exp, ICP (EFP) Type: EFP, ICP(EFP) Brand: Branded
E=Autostore Disabled, EH: MPP + Stub+Exp, ICP (EFP) Type: ICP, ICP(EFP) Brand: Non-Branded
F=Autostore Disabled, EH: MPP + Stub+Exp, ICP (EFP) Type: ICP, ICP(EFP) Brand: Branded
Make sure that you reboot the APIM after these changes. Turn off the vehicles for about a minute then turn it back on. The APIM and ACM need to refresh communications over the SDL (Satellite Data Link). If these 2 settings don’t fix the issues, post your asbuilt and we can figure it out.
All of the APIM settings are here on this site…
Thanks for the info/settings ! I’ll give them a try. I frequent 2GFusions (same username) but haven’t seen much discussion about ACM and APIM or especially “programming” discussions. I don’t think it’s allowed there…
I had already found the “preset” related setting to change but that was just late last night. I have it in my ‘notes’ to change but thanks for confirming it as well !
Update. I returned the ACM that was from the 2020 Explorer and was able to obtain a 2019 F-150 ACM from a Lariat that has SDARS, B&O, HD radio and the rectangular connectors but unlike the Explorer radio, it does not have the 3rd white antenna connector, it only has the mustard for Sirius and the black one for AM/FM. I did a comparison between my 2015 F-150 ACM and APIM wiring and the 2019 F-150. The wiring between the ACM and APIM were almost the same but there was a circuit that was not on my 2015 but on the 2019. Granted my 2015 has/had SYNC 2 wiring between the ACM and APIM and the 2019 has SYNC 3 but there were only a few changes. I added 2 wires between the ACM and APIM and also made some changes in the ACM and APIM utilizing FORscan and was able to make it work. I am still playing with it to get it close to my 2020 SD. I attached pics of my paperwork/notes. Hopefully this helps
Thanks, Junior.
I’ll check this out this week and see if I can get mine to work. I looked at the wiring but never could get the right diagram for the 2019. The one you posted is exactly what I thought needed to be done, but I never figured out the correct wiring. It looks like they repurposed connections for the multimedia gateway.
Can you post the settings for the ACM and APIM you changed, please? I think it would be just the SDARS X40, Message Set, Mixed Mode Presets, and tell the APIM there is no CD.
Also, did you need to re-pin the connectors and if so what pins did you use and where did you get them? Or did you just remove old Sync 2 wires and use those?
Edit: The set of wires you added are the additional Digital Radio Data Link communications for the APIM and ACM. These do not appear on any 2019 F-150 wiring diagrams that I was able to obtain. I am glad you found this.
What is the part number of the ACM you are using?
I have a KL3T-18D832-BH I picked up cheap to experiment with for this, so it would not be a big investment that didn’t work. It’s only missing HD radio but I don’t really listen to AM/FM HD Radio much anyways.
That seemed to take care of it. Sirius works now ! The other setting was already set to “0”.
On a related note, my '14 ACM has a CD player but the 2020 faceplate covers it up. I’ve already remove “CD” from the steering wheel controls but there’s still an icon/button in the Sync screen. Will this setting (from the Ford APIM database) remove it ?
7D0-04-01: #X##-####-####
Values
0 = No Player
1 = CD/MP3 (UK Default)
2 = CD Changer MP3
3 = DVD, MP3
4 = CD Hard Drive
Use the “0” (zero) setting ?
Yes it will, or should.