Sync3 and wireless carplay

Yes thanks for letting me know. I should be getting 2019 APIM so I should be just fine right?

In theory yes, it’s not actually the APIM that’s the issue with my20 it’s the screen.

Oh really? Didn’t know that. Is there a way to find out whether it’s the case or not for me?

Not sure how tech savvy you are but basicaly the reformat tool that is used as part of the unofficial map upgrade has to have drivers etc to initialize the screen. basically the drivers and config in that are not compatible with the MY20 screens and APIM calibration and therefore results in nothing but a black screen, unfortunately the way it works is if it doesn’t initialise the screen it doesn’t continue, otherwise we would have been fine if we just waited X time on the black screen.

I have a non-nav APM & screen I purchased online, manufacture date January 2020 and already loaded with SYNC 3.4 build 19200. Would I be safe using the updater for upgrading to 20196 or 20237 since it’s non nav?

Thanks

Yes, I believe it would be safe since it would not involve the use of the reformat tool. Before you try to update it, could you please run the APIM Interrogator Utility and post the file here?

Also, in case you are not familiar with upgrading non-nav Sync units, read this tutorial. You may not have any issues at all, but if you do, at least you know what to expect and how to fix it.

Thanks for the quick response! I will run the APIM Interrogator utility this weekend.

Where can I find autoinstall.lst and DONTINDX.MSA files? I am new to this and have not done previous changes.

See your PM…

Here’s the interregator file:

Summary <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

<p:OTAModuleSnapShot xmlns:d2p1=“urn:ford/Vehicle/Module/Information/v3.0” xmlns:xsi=“http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance” xmlns:p=“urn:ford/com/productdesign/ipp/ModuleSnapshot/v2.0” version=“2020-12-05” xsi:schemaLocation=“urn:ford/Vehicle/Module/Information/v3.0 ModuleSnapshot.xsd”>
<p:VIN>1FA6P8CFXF5310341</p:VIN>
<p:ModuleName>ECU</p:ModuleName>
<p:RequestRole>
d2p1:RoleCONSUMER</d2p1:Role>
d2p1:RoleSourceOTA</d2p1:RoleSource>
d2p1:RoleDescSYNCGEN3</d2p1:RoleDesc>
d2p1:RoleIDOTA</d2p1:RoleID>
</p:RequestRole>
<p:BroadcastDTCType>
<d2p1:DTC DTCValue=“c151000b”/>
<d2p1:DTC DTCValue=“919f130b”/>
</p:BroadcastDTCType>
<p:Node isFlashed=“false” specificationCategory=“GGDS”>
d2p1:Address7D0</d2p1:Address>
<d2p1:ECUAcronym name=“APIM”>
d2p1:State
<d2p1:Gateway gatewayType=“NONE”>
<d2p1:DID didFormat=“ASCII” didType=“Embedded Consumer Operating System Part Number” didValue=“8033” responseLength=“24”>
d2p1:Response5U5T-14G381-CD</d2p1:Response>
d2p1:IsConfigfalse</d2p1:IsConfig>
</d2p1:DID>
<d2p1:DID didFormat=“Packeted” didType=“Embedded Consumer Applications Part Numbers 1” didValue=“8060” responseLength=“384”>
d2p1:Response355535542d3134473339312d424800000000000000000000345535542d3134473432332d424100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000</d2p1:Response>
d2p1:IsConfigfalse</d2p1:IsConfig>
</d2p1:DID>
<d2p1:DID didFormat=“Packeted” didType=“Embedded Consumer Applications Part Numbers 1” didValue=“8061” responseLength=“384”>
d2p1:Response000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000</d2p1:Response>
d2p1:IsConfigfalse</d2p1:IsConfig>
</d2p1:DID>
<d2p1:DID didFormat=“HEX” didType=“ECU Checksum 1” didValue=“D704” responseLength=“4”>
d2p1:Responsee73137cd</d2p1:Response>
d2p1:IsConfigfalse</d2p1:IsConfig>
</d2p1:DID>
<d2p1:DID didFormat=“HEX” didType=“ECU Checksum 2” didValue=“D705” responseLength=“4”>
d2p1:Response4b584200</d2p1:Response>
d2p1:IsConfigfalse</d2p1:IsConfig>
</d2p1:DID>
<d2p1:DID didType=“Direct Configuraation DID DE00” didValue=“DE00”>
d2p1:Response6a2a0503021098000080</d2p1:Response>
d2p1:IsConfigtrue</d2p1:IsConfig>
</d2p1:DID>
<d2p1:DID didType=“Direct Configuraation DID DE01” didValue=“DE01”>
d2p1:Response55530602c002000004800105</d2p1:Response>
d2p1:IsConfigtrue</d2p1:IsConfig>
</d2p1:DID>
<d2p1:DID didType=“Direct Configuraation DID DE02” didValue=“DE02”>
d2p1:Response0000010200</d2p1:Response>
d2p1:IsConfigtrue</d2p1:IsConfig>
</d2p1:DID>
<d2p1:DID didType=“Direct Configuraation DID DE03” didValue=“DE03”>
d2p1:Response010031002b0001</d2p1:Response>
d2p1:IsConfigtrue</d2p1:IsConfig>
</d2p1:DID>
<d2p1:DID didType=“Direct Configuraation DID DE04” didValue=“DE04”>
d2p1:Response17fe180e2bd4</d2p1:Response>
d2p1:IsConfigtrue</d2p1:IsConfig>
</d2p1:DID>
<d2p1:DID didType=“Direct Configuraation DID DE05” didValue=“DE05”>
d2p1:Response40</d2p1:Response>
d2p1:IsConfigtrue</d2p1:IsConfig>
</d2p1:DID>
<d2p1:DID didType=“Direct Configuraation DID DE06” didValue=“DE06”>
d2p1:Response1404330000000016760000565686005c</d2p1:Response>
d2p1:IsConfigtrue</d2p1:IsConfig>
</d2p1:DID>
<d2p1:DID didFormat=“ASCII” didType=“On-line Diagnostic Database Reference Number” didValue=“F110” responseLength=“24”>
d2p1:ResponseDS-1U5T-14G371-EH</d2p1:Response>
d2p1:IsConfigfalse</d2p1:IsConfig>
</d2p1:DID>
<d2p1:DID didFormat=“ASCII” didType=“ECU Core Assembly Number” didValue=“F111” responseLength=“24”>
d2p1:Response1U5T-14G380-CE</d2p1:Response>
d2p1:IsConfigfalse</d2p1:IsConfig>
</d2p1:DID>
<d2p1:DID didFormat=“ASCII” didType=“ECU Delivery Assembly Number” didValue=“F113” responseLength=“24”>
d2p1:Response5U5T-14G371-BKC</d2p1:Response>
d2p1:IsConfigfalse</d2p1:IsConfig>
</d2p1:DID>
<d2p1:DID didFormat=“ASCII” didType=“ECU Calibration Data #1 Number” didValue=“F124” responseLength=“24”>
d2p1:Response1U5T-14G375-CA</d2p1:Response>
d2p1:IsConfigfalse</d2p1:IsConfig>
</d2p1:DID>
<d2p1:DID didFormat=“ASCII” didType=“Private Sub Node #1 Serial Number” didValue=“F141” responseLength=“16”>
d2p1:ResponsePZ2A0030</d2p1:Response>
d2p1:IsConfigfalse</d2p1:IsConfig>
</d2p1:DID>
<d2p1:DID didFormat=“State Encoded” didType=“Software Download Specification Version” didValue=“F162” responseLength=“1”>
d2p1:Response00</d2p1:Response>
d2p1:IsConfigfalse</d2p1:IsConfig>
</d2p1:DID>
<d2p1:DID didFormat=“State Encoded” didType=“Diagnostic Specification Version” didValue=“F163” responseLength=“1”>
d2p1:Response00</d2p1:Response>
d2p1:IsConfigfalse</d2p1:IsConfig>
</d2p1:DID>
<d2p1:DID didFormat=“ASCII” didType=“Vehicle Manufacturer ECU Software Number” didValue=“F188” responseLength=“24”>
d2p1:Response1U5T-14G374-EH</d2p1:Response>
d2p1:IsConfigfalse</d2p1:IsConfig>
</d2p1:DID>
<d2p1:DID didFormat=“ASCII” didType=“ECU Serial Number” didValue=“F18C” responseLength=“16”>
d2p1:Response</d2p1:Response>
d2p1:IsConfigfalse</d2p1:IsConfig>
</d2p1:DID>
<d2p1:DID didFormat=“HEX” didType=“ECU MAC Address 1” didValue=“F1D0” responseLength=“6”>
d2p1:Response90:9a:77:db:99:60</d2p1:Response>
d2p1:IsConfigfalse</d2p1:IsConfig>
</d2p1:DID>
<d2p1:DID didFormat=“HEX” didType=“ECU MAC Address 2” didValue=“F1D1” responseLength=“6”>
d2p1:Response90:9a:77:db:99:61</d2p1:Response>
d2p1:IsConfigfalse</d2p1:IsConfig>
</d2p1:DID>
</d2p1:Gateway>
</d2p1:State>
</d2p1:ECUAcronym>
<d2p1:ODLNetwork d2p1:NetworkDataRate=“500” d2p1:NetworkName=“HS-CAN” d2p1:NetworkProtocol=“CAN” d2p1:DLCName=“SAE J1962” d2p1:Pins=“6,14”/>
<d2p1:DTC DTCValue=“c151000b”/>
<d2p1:DTC DTCValue=“919f130b”/>
<d2p1:AdditionalAttributes logGeneratedDateTime=“2020-12-05T16:00:58+00:00” RAM=“426827776” vmcuVersion=“Vector_VMCU_02.02.20”>
<d2p1:PartitionHealth type=“/fs/Nuance/” total=“1.8G” available=“5.6M”/>
<d2p1:PartitionHealth type=“/fs/Nuance/grace” total=“1.2G” available=“66M”/>
<d2p1:PartitionHealth type=“/fs/rwdata/” total=“1.2G” available=“919M”/>
<d2p1:PartitionHealth type=“/fs/rwdata/quip/” total=“35M” available=“22M”/>
<d2p1:PartitionHealth type=“/fs/rwdata/quip/” total=“90M” available=“87M”/>
<d2p1:PartitionHealth type=“/fs/mp/” total=“1.4G” available=“144M”/>
<d2p1:PartitionHealth type=“/fs/images/” total=“10G” available=“7.0G”/>
d2p1:InstallationLog/
d2p1: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</d2p1:SyncData>
</d2p1:AdditionalAttributes>
</p:Node>
</p:OTAModuleSnapShot>

This looks good. You have enough storage to update without any issues there.

Good news.

Do I use the default automatic or change to autoinstall Force Install Mode?

Thank you!

Just use the default automatic…

I have a non-navigation APIM, “L” series so it’s very new, and used the tool here with no issues. I didn’t make any changes to the settings.

the issue with my20 cars is more the screens in them than the APIMs, the screens need different drivers and the reformat tool doesn’t have these drivers hence they are locked at a blakc screen.

Hello @CyanLabs,

I have a question on the same subject: Risk of Brick in Ford Update with CyanUpdater:

My vehicle:
Ford Tourneo Custom Titanium X
Sync 3 software version 3.4 Build 20136
Navigation map version: F8

Year: 2020
Month: 03
Generation: 2019.75MY

Is there also a risk of downgrading, reformatting and updating to the latest software and MapsF10?
Thank you and best regards, stay healthy
Ronny

If your vehicle came with 3.4 from the factory then it is very likely to brick during a reformat. I would suggest waiting for the new version of the updater app which will include an option for AutoInstall of maps with MY20 protection.

If you wish to try this out now you can switch to the Ci build of the updater.

Thank your very much @avdonr for your fast and professional answer.
When the car was delivered, 3.4.XXX was installed.

I don’t remember exactly. The dealer said, he has still updated. So whether 3.3. was installed I can’t say that safe.

I had then updated by myself to 3.4.20186.
Now I have switched to CI. After switching to CI, I downloaded and installed the 2.5.8.170.

I will test it with the option MY20 and give you a report of course here,

Best Regards

In Addition:
This is my current configuration taken from the xml.

Perhaps @F150Chief @avdonr it could be helpful to get the information about the apim or display…

Sorry now i see that’s not allowed for me as an new User to upload files…

You should be able to upload files now.