Sync3 and wireless carplay

[markyparky]

Hello there,
I am just about to move away from Sync2 to Sync3. Before I order the hardware I want to figure out if by any chance any newer APIM module support wireless carplay natively? Should I look out for MY18.5 and newer APIM or it’s not worth it? ie if I go with pre FY18.5 APIM and patch it to new Sync version I can use one of the dongles if I want to go wireless?
Thanks in advance!

[andspenka (Andrew)]

Wireless CarPlay is not available without using an adapter.

CPLAY2air wireless adapter for factory CarPlay on CARPLAY2air.com

[markyparky]

Ok thank you. So are there any other major differences in APIMs? I mean should I for example avoid going to gen 1 APIM module for any reason?

[andspenka (Andrew)]

Sync 3 has only been available since 2017 anyway, so there isn’t going to be any really old modules around. I have changed from Sync 1 to Sync 2 and now Sync 3. I have used the Cyanlabs program and updated it to 3.4 20196 without any problems.

[F150Chief]

@markyparky

So are there any other major differences in APIMs? I mean should I for example avoid going to gen 1 APIM module for any reason?

It would be best to avoid the Gen 1 APIM’s found in 2015/2016 vehicles. Look for APIM’s from Hxxx (2017MY) and up. The Gen 1 APIM’s have higher failure rates and cannot be upgraded to the latest firmware without issues.

I think it is best to do as you suggest and get a newer model unit. From experience, the Kxxx (2019) series are reliable and can be upgraded to the newest firmware with no issues.

[andspenka (Andrew)]

You guys must have got Sync 3 before us in the UK, 2015 & 2016 were Sync 2 over here, we never got Sync 3 until 2017.

[hallstevenson]

Sync 3 was phased in here in the US. Some vehicle models started getting Sync 3 in model year 2016. We have a Fusion (or Mondeo to you) and Sync 3 wasn’t available in these until model year 2017.

[markyparky]

Cool thank you! Kxxx series is Gen4 isn’t it? Would that mean that I could update to 3.4 via official Ford server (via USB - assuming I have donor’s VIN) or via WiFi direct in a car? Just trying to understand if I can still use the CyanLab’s updater tool should the needs be (for ie Maps update, gracenotes, region change etc…) with no issues or if I risk bricking such APIM (as far as I remember there was a disclaimer somewhere saying “don’t use with FY20 cars…” Does FY20 cars have completely different generation of APIMs or is it the case for FY19 APIM as well)>

Thanks, Jan

[hallstevenson]

My APIM is from a 2020 Fusion. It has a manufactured date in 2019 but I didn’t pay attention to the month, “series”, etc. I may have taken a picture though… let me check…

Anyway, I’ve updated to 20237 using Cyanlab’s tool with no issues.

[CyanLabs (Scott)]

do not try to use the leaked reformat tool on MY20 APIMs.

[markyparky]

Yes thanks for letting me know. I should be getting 2019 APIM so I should be just fine right?

[CyanLabs (Scott)]

In theory yes, it’s not actually the APIM that’s the issue with my20 it’s the screen.

[markyparky]

Oh really? Didn’t know that. Is there a way to find out whether it’s the case or not for me?

[CyanLabs (Scott)]

Not sure how tech savvy you are but basicaly the reformat tool that is used as part of the unofficial map upgrade has to have drivers etc to initialize the screen. basically the drivers and config in that are not compatible with the MY20 screens and APIM calibration and therefore results in nothing but a black screen, unfortunately the way it works is if it doesn’t initialise the screen it doesn’t continue, otherwise we would have been fine if we just waited X time on the black screen.

[dandy15gt]

I have a non-nav APM & screen I purchased online, manufacture date January 2020 and already loaded with SYNC 3.4 build 19200. Would I be safe using the updater for upgrading to 20196 or 20237 since it’s non nav?

Thanks

[F150Chief]

Yes, I believe it would be safe since it would not involve the use of the reformat tool. Before you try to update it, could you please run the APIM Interrogator Utility and post the file here?

Tutorial: APIM Interrogator Utility/Create Interrogator Log

Tutorial: APIM Interrogator Utility/Create Interrogator Log This utility will output an xml file that contains information about the APIM including the storage, asbuilt, serial number, hardware and software part numbers, as well as strategy and calibration versions. The xml file contains information on installed map and NAV_Voice files, if applicable to the APIM. The file can be opened in your browser or viewed thru the Syn3 Updater. Using this utility will not affect the installation of softwa…

Also, in case you are not familiar with upgrading non-nav Sync units, read this tutorial. You may not have any issues at all, but if you do, at least you know what to expect and how to fix it.

Tutorial: Sync 3.4 NON-NAV APIM: Failure to Update to Newer Version Sync 3.4

Tutorial: Sync 3.4 NON-NAV APIM: Failure to Update to Newer Version. Read this document fully before starting any actions. It is your responsibility to follow the instructions as outlined below. (DO NOT USE REFORMAT ON 2020 AND ONWARD VEHICLES) General This tutorial covers the scenario where a NON-NAV APIM with Sync 3.4 installed and will not update to a newer version of Sync 3.4. This is not the same as upgrading from previous versions of Sync (3.0) to Sync 3.4. It is assumed that you have tr…

[dandy15gt]

Thanks for the quick response! I will run the APIM Interrogator utility this weekend.

[dandy15gt]

Where can I find autoinstall.lst and DONTINDX.MSA files? I am new to this and have not done previous changes.

[F150Chief]

See your PM…

[dandy15gt]

Here’s the interregator file:

Summary

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